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  • HardwareDufus - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    meh, they didn't put there very best IGP in Coffee Lake for the Desktop, so it's hard to get excited about it and spend coin to upgrade the mobo, memory and processor. Therefore, my I7-3770k soldiers on.

    I'd like to see a high end desktop processor that includes an I-7 (8700k class) processor core with IGP (Iris Plus 650 GT3+ class) graphics core that permits manufacturers to place two physical HDMI 2.0 connectors on the motherboard (miniITX).
  • jtd871 - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    Vendors have traditionally placed only 1 of each type of connection on the motherboard as they likely feel that it will "lock them out of sales" to include multiple connectors of the same type. There may be exceptions, but they are rare. Alot of discrete GPUs follow this model, too.
  • jtd871 - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    Should insert (after "the same type") "and have to forgo another type".
  • HardwareDufus - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    Yeah, I know they are rare. But HDMI is so ubiquitous now. It's time to put more than one HDMI port on the board... hey if they want to include a DisplayPort that you can choose to use instead of the 2nd HDMI port that's fine. We are talking cents here....
  • edzieba - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    Should be the other way around: ALL DP++ ports, which can be used as HDMI (native output with passive adapter) if needed.
  • superunknown98 - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    I have Lenovo PC's at work that have two Display ports built in to the tower. I'm sure there must be a model with two HDMI.
  • Hul8 - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    Intel integrated graphics only has HDMI 1.4 built-in. To get *any* HDMI 2.0 ports, the motherboard needs to include a DP to HDMI 2.0 adapter chip.
  • Alexvrb - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    When discussing desktop chips, I have to say there's not a big market for combining a really top-of-the-line enthusiast chip with an almost-competitive IGP. It adds cost and in most cases it's wasted die space. Take the extra money and sink it into a cheap graphics card, low profile even if you wish. A lowly 1050 will walk all over the IGP and offer more ports too.
  • extide - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    Intel IGP's support 3 displays for a long time, so you might need to convert one but you can run more than one display for sure.
  • artk2219 - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    To the people that say that these chips weren't launched in a panic, i present the article above.
  • guidryp - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    It looks more like demand is so high, that they need to bring on additional resources.
  • Mr Perfect - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    Yeah, there are probably six years worth of 4c8t CPU owners who now finally have a reason to build a new PC. Demand would have been high regardless.
  • piroroadkill - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    Exactly. It's nuts that Intel didn't plan properly for this, after years of small upgrades. People want a goddamn 8700K. There's nothing else like it on the market for gaming performance.
  • shabby - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    It was planned... planned to be a paper launch.
  • Alexvrb - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    They wanted to win... on review sites anyway. Availability be damned! We'll get more chips out in 2018.
  • Lolimaster - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    Ryzen 5 1600 is the same thing offering 90% of the fps for $200
  • ianmills - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    Only its the exact same speed other than the additional cores. It's a weak upgrade except for specific use cases
  • Alexvrb - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    Sir, have you been smoking crack again? Stock speeds are up, they overclock well, and the extra cores aren't just for lulz. The new chips absolutely crush their predecessors in today's demanding titles, let alone tomorrow's. I'm not a fan of their "launch" due to serious supply constraints, but the processors are undeniably a massive upgrade. One of the biggest upgrades to their lineup in recent years.
  • timbotim - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    Couldn't agree more.
    June 2014 i7-4790K 4.0GHz/4.4GHz turbo
    October 2017 i7- 8700K 3.7GHz/4.7GHz turbo
    3 years, 4 generations and a worse power figure to achieve so little - no wonder AMD caught them up!
  • HStewart - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    I not too concern about Coffee Lake, I waiting for Coffee Lake and Ice Lake ( 10nm ), that is where it worth upgrading.
  • HStewart - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    I mean Cannon Lake and Ice Lake (10nm) - I don't believe this site allows editing - or at least it not simple.
  • evancox10 - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    You may be waiting a while, the scuttlebutt is that Intel is having lots of issues with their 10nm process. And performance wise, the initial 10nm process is, according to Intel's own documentation, supposed to perform worse than 14++! The only benefit is the die shrink, allowing for lower production costs, IF yields pan out.
  • Mr Perfect - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    Has there been any word on the lower-end Coffee Lakes? Pentiums and Celerons? I'm hoping they'll suddenly get more interesting(aka get more threads).
  • Alexvrb - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    They already have 4 threads for the Pentiums. KBL Pentiums are 2C/4T. So the only way the Pentiums would get more interesting is if for CFL they bump the Pentiums to 4C/4T. Of course to protect the i3 lineup they would have to lower clocks and shrink the cache. The Celerons on the other hand should definitely be bumped up to 2C/4T.

    These kinds of moves would be wise ahead of a Ryzen APU launch next year. They have some time though.
  • Mr Perfect - Sunday, November 19, 2017 - link

    Yeah, I'm really hoping the Pentiums will be 4c4t. With the old Pentiums matching the old i3s at 2c4t, there's some hope. Four real cores for ~$80 would have plenty of appeal.
  • vailr - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    So: Malaysia and China are the final Coffee Lake CPU assembly points.
    But: exactly where are the 14 nm fab locations?
    I think there's one in Mesa, Arizona, no?
  • extide - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    3 in Oregon, 1 in Az, 1 in Ireland. Israel will be moving it's 22nm to 14nm soon/next.

    FWIW NO other company in the world has 5+ fabs on a leading edge tech.
  • watzupken - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    It sounds great, but the cost of owning/maintaining these cutting edge fabs is very high. Therefore, Intel will be in trouble if there are too much idle fabs.
  • Ej24 - Sunday, November 19, 2017 - link

    The US government actually treats leading edge fabs as a matter of national security. Intel isn't allowed to open fabs with leading edge lithography in certain countries. I remember reading back during the 22nm days that Intel wasn't allowed to share or manufacture designs smaller than 45nm outside the US. Anything on the bleeding edge had to be fabbed here. Not sure if that's still the case.
  • serendip - Friday, November 17, 2017 - link

    Any idea where the dies are manufactured? It seems strange to bake the silicon in the US or wherever and then ship them to east Asia for testing, before shipping them back to the US for sale. Then again, most of those completed chips will go to China for assembly by ODMs into completed computers.
  • oRAirwolf - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    Farmers ship chickens raised in America to China for processing and then ship them back to America to be sold. Its economical when you are doing it at the scale Intel does.
  • beginner99 - Saturday, November 18, 2017 - link

    Well since most of laptop CPUs now are also quad-core eg. larger and add to that 6-core desktop versions it does make sense that they can't produce enough chips because they now need a lot more wafers.

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